do you think they "know" us?
do you think the service department looks here to find out how to write the next watchtower??
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Regarding most wanted hit list.
Apostate warriors who have 'come out' like Randy Watters and Bill Bowen are too closely watched and connected to take down by a criminal assult.
Guys like me who are less prominent junior operatives are just plain too scary and unpredictable to f**k with.
It is very difficult to make us all go poof.
he became 82 on may 8, the wt propagated news long ago about his death has been "exaggerated".
he always gets back to me even if takes some time to write.. recently he received shipping of 3000 copies of crisis of conscience (4th edition), 158 cartons.. but he is getting help now from (edited), a russian young man, including managing his website www.commentarypress.com.. he is starting to get feeback from latin america such as mexico, chile, argentina and others.
internet is getting around i guess.. pending on his family health issues, he wants to go back and revisit puerto rico and dominican republic where he started his "career", becoming branch overseer, and is well known...
My awakening came at the time of Ray Fanz,David Reed.and Steve Hassan all coming out and getting ramped up at pretty much the same time. [ca.1994]
Hail the apostate heroes!
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father's touch is now just above 50,000 but that's out of a couple million books!
wish me luck!.
Good to go Bravo!
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Reaching Out To The Shunned
Hartford Courant (subscription), CT - 6 hours ago
... "They're in limbo. ... They've been taught not to attend other churches, and they feel they can't go back [to Jehovah's Witnesses] ," LaRue said
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Reaching Out To The Shunned
October 22, 2004
By FRANCES GRANDY TAYLOR , Courant Staff Writer
Joseph Whedbee Jr. used to be an elder in the Jehovah's Witness church, also known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. He went door to door to evangelize and spoke at annual conventions. But, he said, when his doubts led him to formally dissociate from the organization in 1990, he was shunned, even by family members.
"My sister hasn't said hello to me in 10 years," said Whedbee, 56. "I'm willing to speak to her, but she won't speak to me. She would not speak to me at our grandmother's funeral. She just got up and left the room."
Whedbee and Mike LaRue, 55, who has been his friend since their childhood in Waterbury where they both were raised in the faith, are reaching out to others who have left the church.
About six months ago, the two men began meeting regularly with several other former Witnesses to talk about their experiences, including feelings of isolation and loss.
On Saturday, the group, which is so new it doesn't have a name, will host a daylong seminar at the Timexpo Museum in Waterbury. The seminar is called "Learning to Love Again," and will include a panel discussion and talks by former members.
Many people who have left the faith miss not only the closeness of family and loved ones; they also feel estranged from God, said LaRue, 55, who left the church about 20 years ago.
"They're in limbo. ... They've been taught not to attend other churches, and they feel they can't go back [to Jehovah's Witnesses]," LaRue said. "They feel out of the grasp of God's graces." There are about 6.2 million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, including about 14,000 in Connecticut, which has 136 congregations. They believe in God, Jesus and a future paradise on earth, and they emphasize strong marriages and close family relations. The world headquarters, known as Bethel, is on a sprawling campus in Brooklyn, N.Y.
J.R. Brown, a national spokesman, said people who voluntarily withdraw from the church or become inactive are visited a few times a year by elders of their local congregations.
"Sometimes things happen that prevent a person from participating. We check to see if they need help or would be interested in reinstatement," said Brown. "If they do not wish to be contacted further, we respect that."
A member can also be disfellowshipped, a serious and formal procedure that leads to ejection from the church, after a person has committed a sin such as public drunkenness and failed to sincerely repent, Brown said. When a person is disfellowshipped, his or her name is announced during a Kingdom Hall meeting. Family members may have routine and necessary contact with the person, but others outside the household are not supposed to invite the person to their homes or give the person any greeting or acknowledgement. The names of people who have been disfellowshipped are placed on a list, and they are visited once a year by an elder.
"The motive is so the person will be shamed and repent his action," Brown said. "The disfellowshipped are not our enemy. ... Our hearts grieve for someone [for whom] this has become necessary."
Whedbee said he started to have doubts about the faith when he began reading older versions of the Watchtower publication, which the church discourages. The discrepancies troubled him.
He now serves on the board of Biblical Research and Commentary International, a nationwide association of former Jehovah's Witnesses formed in 1983. The group has a website, www.brci.org and a toll-free help line 800-WHY-1914 (800-949-1914).
"We get anonymous calls from people who want to talk about what they are going through," Whedbee said. "When they leave they often have no friends, because every friend they ever had was in Jehovah's Witness."
Whedbee and LaRue have since joined other Christian denominations.
"We're not trying to start another religion," LaRue said. "We just feel that because of our own experiences we have a special obligation, because we know what these people are going through."
"Learning to Love Again" seminar will be held Saturday from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. at the Timexpo Museum, 175 Union St., Brass Mill Commons, Waterbury. No registration is necessary. For information, call 203-755-2882.
use wireless phones....... someone might be spying.
believe it or not, the circuit overseer made sure "we" all knew about this policy.
what others things must the elders make sure?
It's all conniving confabulation from the top down. This is the chief curricula (sleaze 101) that elders learn when they go off to their exclusive elders school seminars.Tactical tips on suborning perjury is what they call at kingdom school,"AOP" or Approved Operating Procedure. Arguing in the alternative the: Deception Deflection Directive Get into a jam we will cop-a-plea-we-a-o-p. They are the,control freaks with a mean streak, oppressive wolves in sheep's clothing' that Jesus and the apostle Paul warned about. Last i checked the technology,it is very difficult to 'wiretap' a digital cellphone it operates beyond even the police scanner band.Upper shortwave radio band and you need TWO recievers. Cordless phones are another matter.
even if strict scrutiny applied, the laws would still be constitutional
but that's ridiculous: every law is applied on a case-by-case basis in the courts.
the amicus brief in the arizona case comes up with some policy arguments against punitive damages for religious institutions: these damages hurt "innocent donors.
if you have an mp3 player (windows media player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3.
(if you need to catch up on the history of the berry girls case, this ongoing new hampshire supreme court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:) .
Theocratic Warfare:
Why JWs lie in court
WHY, IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO MAKE COMPARISONS/CONNECTIONS WITH OTHER CULTS.As soon as the client sees the striking similarity of tactics with the other cults it will click with them.
That's what happened to myself and many others.I was truly amazed that the moonies call their deceptive protocol of lying:"heavenly deception".How this rings and resonates so closely with the Watchtower's;"theocratic warfare".
The moonies twisted heavenly deception plays like this:"Satan's children lie to God's children,so in turn it's proper for God's children (e.g. the moonies) To lie and deceive Satan's children.
The commonality of the cults,it's downright disturbing and uncanny.
http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm
"Birds of a feather flock together"."People are known by the company that they keep".And so on.......
Here in the good ole USA we call it a CON GAME.
[ A doctrine of Mr. Moon's is "Heavenly Deception", which briefly stated is this Because Satan deceives God's children, God's children, in turn, have the right to deceive Satan's children. Of course, you and I are defined by Mr. Moon as "Satan's children", so we are the victims who get sold their merchandise, along with the lie that it is for "youth work", "Orphans", or "drug rehabilitation". Mr. Moon has been put in jail for tax evasion, and continues to have troubles with the Internal Revenue Service in the U.S.A. He has added several major industries to his street activities and continues to rake in the money.]
JW as the articulated manipulator also known as:"don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"
Do the perpwalk for me you diddler
Jehovah's Witness jailed for abusing boys
James Barratt is led away to begin his sentence
An elder in the Jehovah's Witness church has been jailed for child abuse. 
do you take it personely if you dont get many responses to a new topic?.
i for one do get miffed if i dont get some replies and i do get upset sniff--- sniff.
but i am still a newbie!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like everything else in life,win some lose some.
Practice makes perfect.
now that we're out of the "cult", what's an "apostate" to do??
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Manage 6 (and counting) Ex JW support/apostate sites and blogs.
Post in dozens of forums.
The hits just keep on a coming......
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i'm considering what to say to a friend who's thinking about letting her 12 year-old get baptized.
okay, guys, let 'em rip!
After Jesus laid claim to his sovereign authority his first degree:Jesus laid out the great Christian commission Jehovah's witnesses and their bogus blasphemous baptism. It is an illegitimate abomination.. After his resurrection Jesus laid out the great Christian commission.He said," make disciples and baptize them in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy spirit ". This pledge is plain and simple.The Watchtower has, blasphemously bastardized (" borgadized" ) that sacred oath.They have ADDED ............"and to : Jehovah's 'organization' { watchtower cult }..see : Revelation 22:18 about adding anything to the sacred text naughty, naughty
